The Danish Gambit Question: How Many Bites?

Submitted by GreenLaser on Fri, 10/03/2008 at 3:48pm.

When White offers the Danish Gambit, how many pawns should Black accept? It is possible to accept or decline the pawns offered. Each time the Gambit is offered Black has to decide how many bites of the Danish should be taken. For some the appetite grows with the nibbling. Every chess game is a battle between free will and the environment. The following game will include analysis of these options. White represented Oxford and Cambridge Universities in a match against the Metropolitan Chess Club more than three months before the assassination that would become the immediate cause of World War I.

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by plane129 - 7 days ago
ca United States
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good game

by NM GreenLaser - 2 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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davidetal wrote, "Not entirely sure what Ossie_c is concerned about." Here is what ozzie said, "I am a believer of studying the past, but not this far back. I just don't think it's that useful or relevant in today's chess scene." In a 2007 book, Chess Secrets: The Giants of Strategy: Learn from Kramnik, Karpov, Petrosian, Capablanca and Nimzowitsch by Neil McDonald there are games from 1907 to 2007. The game here is from 1914. If we didn't go as far back as 1914 and beyond, we would not look at the games of Morphy, Steinitz, Zukertort, Chigorin, and Pillsbury. We would miss the events at the time at Hastings, Cambridge Springs, and San Sebastian. In McDonald's book, he quotes Vladimir Kramnik saying we must study the whole of chess history. This is a widespread viewpoint. To be fair and balanced, I admit to knowing a player rated 2700+ (FIDE) who considers it a waste of time to study early chess. I suspect that view is tempered when specific lines are studied that are old in their origins, but needed when updating a player's repertoire.

by jaronkovich - 3 months ago
qld Australia
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great, thanks

by davidetal - 3 months ago
Tarragindi Australia
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Loved this game, thank U greenlaser. Not entirely sure what Ossie_c is concerned about. Yes, these days top chess seems to me to be about a) not losing b) try create wrinkles in your opponent's position c) exploit the wrinkle and win the endgame. All a long way from the outrageous attack and counter-attack exhibited in this game. But hey, its fun, and clever, and that is not all bad. More danish, please:)

by NM GreenLaser - 3 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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texaspete wrote, "I like to play the Danish, but only in games that are 5 min blitz or quicker. I always get the feeling its unsound and I don't get any compensation for the 2 pawns if black plays sensibly. It can get good results though, as black does need to think carefully A recent blitz game with a nice finish (though my opponent made a lot of poor decisions). Anyone know a good website to polish up my skills as white with the danish (key traps, what to do if black plays well)" For a start you can copy and paste the game heading, move list, and relevant comments to a word processor. If you have ChessBase (or other program), you can find and download a database of Danish Gambit (C21) games or use the big database that comes with such programs to make a separate Danish database. The Encyclopedia of chess Openings covers the Danish in Volume C. An internet search can find other books, articles, and websites.

by NM GreenLaser - 3 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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josip wrote, "20. Qh7+ and the King doesn't eat it. Did I miss anything??? After 20. ... Kxh7 21. hxg3 there goes Qh6." You may have missed the "MOVE LIST" and missed counting the pieces.

by josip - 3 months ago
Zadar Croatia
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20. Qh7+ and the King doesn't eat it. Did I miss anything???

 

After 20. ... Kxh7 21. hxg3 there goes Qh6.

 

Undecided

by cnwlwzj - 3 months ago
tianjin China
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This is a fantastic game!Battle is fierce

by shuttlechess92 - 3 months ago
California United States
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whoa

by NM GreenLaser - 3 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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NM ozzie_c_cobblepot wrote, "This game, while "romantic", is slightly ridiculous. I am a believer of studying the past, but not this far back. I just don't think it's that useful or relevant in today's chess scene." Thanks for reading. There is not much point in trying to argue about judging the value of the game. It is probably a matter of taste, just as is any comment. The number of readers will be a measure of the game's value in this chess scene. Have a danish.

by Dmaster995 - 3 months ago
Yonkers, NY United States
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I like.

by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot - 3 months ago
United States
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This game, while "romantic", is slightly ridiculous.

I am a believer of studying the past, but not this far back. I just don't think it's that useful or relevant in today's chess scene.

by figrock - 3 months ago
United States
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Move 20...Very tricky! Thank you for the move list.

by SonofPearl - 3 months ago
Wales
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Awesome tactics! Cool

by chawil - 3 months ago
Lowestoft, Suffolk United Kingdom
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LouisBlanc wrote "Looks like a bunch of amateurs played this game. Why didnt Black king take White Queen at move 39 and end the game."

That would have been most unusual, considering the game only lasted 30 moves! I assume he means why didn't black take on the 20th move. The answer is that white plays hxg3+ followed by hxf4 which does end the game, but not, I think, in the way Louis meant.

by LouisBlanc - 3 months ago
Liverpool England
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Looks like a bunch of amateurs played this game. Why didnt Black king take White Queen at move 39 and end the game.

by venkat_narayanan - 3 months ago
Malaysia
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Wonderful display of tactical innovation!

by NM GreenLaser - 3 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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Quiksilverau, look at the board before 20.Qxh7+. White is ahead a rook and a bishop. Go to the MOVE LIST and click the move 20...Kxh7 and the following moves. White will be ahead a bishop and a knight with 4 pawns against five and with an attack. It could be conceded an exchange was lost, but White wins.

by Quiksilverau - 3 months ago
Brisbane Australia
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Hmm ...I'm missing something. Couldn't black still win the exchange?

1. Qxh7+!!

2. Kxh7

3. h2xg3+

4. Q-h6

5. Rxh6+

6. g7xh6

...

Black loses the initial pawn, the knight, and the queen. White loses the queen and the rook. Where did I go wrong, cause surely black wouldn't have let that one slip away.

by NM GreenLaser - 3 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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The game offers an interesting scenario. Black, with centralized pieces, attacks White, sacrifices an exchange, and prevents the king from castling. This would seem promising. White is able to discover that the squares c2, h7, and h1 are connected. By playing 20.Qxh7!! (from c2) White shows this. If 20...Kxh7 21.hxg3+ connects h7 and h1. Black declines the queen and runs. White's attack is with pieces on the perimeter: the queen on h7, the rook on a1, and the bishop on f1. White's only centralized pieces, the knights, will die, although the knight on d6 first performed a needed function, allowing Qe8+. The rook on h1 was there because White could not castle, but made the connection with h7 (or threatened to) and simply did nothing else.

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